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which begs the question.... (2.00 / 4)

what idiot came up with a nomination system that does not reflect either the will of the people or the methodology of the GE?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:56:25 AM EST

Re: which is a good question (none / 0)

I think after this election the party will have some soul searching to do....

But I hope we can come together to kick John McSame's ass.


by luckymortal on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:59:33 AM EST
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That's a great question.  I'd be happy to support an effort to fix this madness.

After we're done with this one.  Not because it'll help the candidate I prefer, but because that's the only fair way to do it.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:00:56 AM EST
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Caucuses are time-honored traditions that worked well until the foreign candidate you support did poorly in them. Cheaper and easier to do than primaries, and supposedly a check and balance- if you've got the support of people fired-up to hit caucuses, and can win in primaries, you're in good shape, no?

You're telling me Clinton didn't have any supporters who were fired up enough to participate in caucuses? From what I've seen around here, she had plenty. She played the game badly and lost, for all the money she spent and talented people supposedly on her campaign.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:03:21 AM EST
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I hear ya! The thing is that before this primary started everybody agreed what that delegates would decide the nominations. I think their should be retooling of the rules AFTER the primary is over.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:06:19 AM EST
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Typo city! I better get to bed!


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:07:12 AM EST
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Re: which begs the question.... (2.00 / 1)

The delegate system reflects the electability of each candidate much more accurately than a mere popular vote system. It also permits states to use less expensive caucuses when funds are not available to pay for a full-on primary election. My comment below elucidates this issue in more detail.



McCain
by Black Anus on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:11:10 AM EST
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No idiot (2.00 / 4)

It's a partisan nomination, not an election.

A party with an ideology - it's perfectly reasonable that such an entity wouldn't rely on straight popular vote...

The winner of the nomination makes no laws and has no power.  It's not a democracy.  It's a party.

I certainly wouldn't support a caucus or some sort of nominating process for a general election - but that's because elected positions carry power, and in such a case - I very much believe in the one vote principle.

But in a partisan, two party system?

Well... as a Deaniac, the one lesson I learned from 2004 is that you don't complain about what the party did or didn't do.

You take over the party.

You out organize.

You network.

You donate.

You register.

You build your numbers.

You convince others.

A lot of us wanted a change - a real change - in the Democratic party in 2004.  Our standard bearer stumbled.  We have one this time who hasn't.

Obviously - I can't speak for all Deaniacs... but I know a lot of Deaniacs, and this nominating process and its probable outcome feel like a validation of four years of hard work to all of the ones I know.


by zonk on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:52:26 AM EST
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Re: No idiot (2.00 / 1)

Bingo!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:02:39 AM EST
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"Our standard bearer stumbled."

actually no he didnt.  the media simply did to Dean what they did to HRC and Gore before them.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:14:15 AM EST
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That's still stumbling.  You've got to be able to deal with the media's narrative or you have lost.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 11:53:40 AM EST
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Re: No idiot (none / 0)

whatever gets you through the day ;)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 17, 2008 at 03:21:17 PM EST
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