MyDD :: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes...

Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes...

by lizardbox, Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:53:43 AM EST

She shan't receive my support in any future contest, be it this presidential run (should she secure the nomination) or any other.

We can all pretend to be mere participants in this "civil" discourse, and claim that whoever the nominee might be we will support him or her. Not I.

Being a reasonable fellow (mostly), I won't write off Senator Clinton without giving her an in back into this relationship. It's fairly simple, apologize and repent, or lose my support:

- Apologize for the ridiculous 3AM ad

Apologize for your "as far as I know" response to whether Barack is a Muslim
Apologize for your disingenuous comments about the Reverend Wright controversy
Apologize for your reference to the imaginary CIC threshold that you and John McCain apparently passed, and Obama did not
Apologize for every time you reduced Barack to a speech
Apologize for your fear-mongering ad featuring none other than Bin Laden
Apologize for your vote on the Kyle-Lieberman Amendment
Apologize for Bush-like threats towards Iran
Apologize for the nasty opportunism during the last debate
Finally, apologize for your Iraq war authorization vote

I am only asking you to apologize for things that you have done or directed, Senator Clinton. I do not ask you to apologize on behalf of President Clinton, any member of your staff, or any of your numerous surrogates. Just your votes. Your missteps. Your errors. Your judgment.

Of course if you ever come to the realization that you failed to run the type of progressive campaign that many of us hoped of you to run, then you might also find it in your heart to apologize for being the candidate who effectively stopped our party from running on a platform of hope, change, and peace. You successfully managed to bring the political debate down to a level from which we all hoped to ascend.

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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 1)

Wow, you must love getting flamed by Clinton supporters, dude. Heh.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:54:39 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 1)

bleh, what do I do? I'm just sick of it. I cannot believe a Dem runs two ads like 3AM and the Bin Laden one, then threatens a country to "obliterate them" and everyone goes around their business like it's not a big deal.

If the best they can do is flame, let them bring it.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:58:18 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

Well, the important thing to remember when getting flamed is to stay hydrated.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:07:52 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

Now that's funny.

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:20:01 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

Whats with Rage and student guy being nice guys today...

by DTaylor on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:25:52 AM EST
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Clearly (2.00 / 1)

you haven't been informed yet that everything Senator Clinton does is free of error or blemish and completely justified.

I suspect you'll be informed shortly :-)

"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis

by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:09:28 AM EST
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Re: Clearly (none / 0)

but, I have heard of The Alegre, and her followers, and I have heard the Word.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:11:09 AM EST
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Oh, Alegre's harmless. (none / 0)

There's others I'd be more worried about.

"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis

by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:16:48 AM EST
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Relax, the race is over. (2.00 / 1)

Some of the stuff on this site has pissed me off too, but I have come to the conclusion that this race is over, and there is no reason to fight anymore on MyDD, because it is wasted breath.

They are good people fighting for what they believe in, just like us, and it's time we stopped the sparring.

Sure, there will be nasty and unfair things on the rec list for the next several weeks, but that doesn't mean we need to escalate. Eventually the tempers and emotions will die down, and this site will return to what it was before this whole brawl began.

I'm an Obama supporter and have made peace with this place.

by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:46:56 AM EST
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Re: Relax, the race is over. (none / 0)

You're right. I guess this is how I make my peace.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:56:23 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 1)

It is called intellectual dishonesty in my dictionary. When someone accuses Clinton supporters of not being progressives because they said they cant vote for Obama as a nominee and then finding/creating excuses to do the same when the tables are turned.

There is nothing to be proud of for being dishonest:-)

by Sandeep on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:35:17 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

Who accused you of what?

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:42:37 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

Apologize for your "as far as I know" response to whether Barack is a Muslim

seriously, wow.

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by amde on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:00:18 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 1)

She has nothing to apologize for. You should apologize for inventing garbage and nonsense about her, putting words in her mouth she didn't say and making false accusations.

by 07rescue on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:21:59 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 1)

totally agree. Now she has to apologize because she didnt protect Baracks religious ideals?? Maybe Barack should defend his own ideals so Hillary doesn't have to...

--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--

by amde on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:24:52 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 1)

May be you remember the Iowa debate in December? When Biden's remarks that were described as racist were brought into question? Remember how one of his Senate colleagues talked about they've known Biden, he's a good man without a racist bone in his body?

That's what democrats do for each other. They don't say "as far as I know".

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:28:39 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (1.83 / 6)

Democrats also dont call other democrats liar, say anything-do anything people, corrupt, not trustworthy, poll driven triangulator, etc.

Your diary is absolute rubbish and smacks of dishonesty.

by Sandeep on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:39:18 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

There's nothing dishonest about it. I'll call my candidate out on the things he does that I disagree with. But I don't have to prove it to you Clinton Collective as you really don't need any help attacking not only the candidate, but everyone he associates with, everyone who supports him, and everyone who endorses him. Spare me the cute language and take this "rubbish" somewhere else where you don't need substance to make a point.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:45:37 AM EST
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Give me a break (2.00 / 3)

Have you even seen the video of that?

Kroft asked her if Obama was a Muslim, she strongly and categorically denied it, and then, for some inexplicable reason, he asked her again. She was taken aback by the question, as is easy to understand. Why would he ask again, after her strong and unambiguous first answer? Wouldn't she have wondered if he knew something she didn't know? And wouldn't that explain exactly why she finally came around to a wide-eyed "as far as I know?"

Here's what Media Matters had to say about it:

The only thing sleazy about the episode was the type of journalism being used to concoct a Clinton slur.

When people suggest that the press employs a separate standard for covering Clinton, this is the kind of episode they're talking about. There simply is no other candidate, from either party, who has had their comments, their fragments, dissected so dishonestly the way Clinton's have been.

The fact is, if you look at Clinton's exchange with Kroft in its entirety, which lasted less than one minute, I count eight separate times in which she either plainly denied the false claim that Obama was Muslim, labeled that suggestion to be a smear, or expressed sympathy for Obama having to deal with the Muslim innuendo. Eight times:

CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that's--you know, there is not basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

KROFT: And you said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.

CLINTON: Right. Right.

KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim or implying? Right.

CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.

KROFT: It's just scurrilous --

CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors. I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time.

Want to complain that Clinton's answers contained too many qualifiers, while at the same time acknowledging her initial response? That's fair game. And that's what New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof did on March 9, when he noted, "When Mrs. Clinton was asked in a television interview a week ago whether Mr. Obama is a Muslim, she denied it firmly -- but then added, most unfortunately, 'as far as I know.' "

But to set aside Clinton's denials and suggest that "as far as I know" captured her entire response is patently dishonest. Yet that's exactly when many media players did.

I hope you're not holding you're breath on that apology.

by Trickster on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:23:08 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 3)

Well -

I guess we had better forget about playing Calvinball -
Since you appear to be taking the ball, the box, and Hobbes with you.

by johnnygunn on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:00:32 AM EST

lol (2.00 / 2)

For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!

by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:01:09 AM EST

Re: lol (2.00 / 0)

Ahh. I see you agree it's all been Obama, and Clinton's been pure as the driven snow. Kudos to you, Theresa.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:08:53 AM EST
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Are you auditioning (2.00 / 2)

for the late show ?

If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi

by SevenStrings on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:02:42 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 0)

You forgot about the "maybe he can be VP" talking point that they put out at exactly the same time as they used the "he hasn't passed the CiC threshold" meme. If that didn't reveal hypocrisy, I don't know what would.

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:02:46 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 0)

Is she still offering that position to him?

Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.

by hootie4170 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:05:37 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 0)

No, now it's mostly "Get out of the race, cause you can't win".

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:07:25 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

It isn't, "Get out of the race, cause you can't win".

It's, "Stop making an ass of yourself and helping the GOP, cause you can't win."

Stay in the race and campaign with positive dignity instead of negative shame.

The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.

by Liberal Avenger on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:22:59 AM EST
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Difficult to keep track. (2.00 / 0)

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:06:12 AM EST
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Do you live in NY? (none / 0)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:17:05 AM EST

Re: Do you live in NY? (none / 0)

Chicago.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:25:32 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Obama Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 6)

I'm sure she'll get right on your request to kiss your red rosy arse right after Obama does the following:

Apologize for using a Republican "Harry and Louise" attack ad
Apologize for his campaign pushing the race card/race baiting in S.C.
Apologize for his continued lies and omissions about his policies (those of which we can find), and while were at it copying the one's Hillary has put forth and then topping 'em off with a few hundred thou here and there
Apologize for everytime he or his campaign called her a liar
Apologize for everytime he or his campaign called her ethics into question with his rhetoric and deception
Apologize for the "she'll say anything to get elected" crap
Apologize for the lack of preparedness in his debate answers to the American Public
Apologize for not even fulfilling the term that the citizens of Illinois put him in office for
Apologize for Tony Rezko, and his association with Rev. Wright's comments...not the whole speech...just those comments that, well sucked.

Let's start there and see how he does, and then maybe just maybe Hill may get around to your request. In the meantime...I'm sure Hill will just give you the good ole Cheney comeback....Go F yourself!

And visit my website at HillaryClinton.com!

;)

Geez...what bitter requests. LOL!

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:18:43 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Obama Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

I reside in a state Senator Clinton lost. She already told me to go F myself, more than once.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:23:18 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Obama Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

LOL! Great!

Don't forget to visit HillaryClinton.com

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:41:58 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Obama Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

I have. Nice site.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:46:34 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Obama Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 1)

You must have bought up every yard of whole cloth in your town to fabricate those charges out of.

The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.

by Liberal Avenger on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:26:36 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

I'd almost forgotten how much Hillary has to apologize for.

The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.

by Liberal Avenger on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:19:23 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

This is the bargaining phase...

If you apologize I will vote for you...

Yawn.

by DTaylor on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:29:32 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

Sorry to inform you but the candidate I support has operated on one phase and one phase only. On the other hand, Senator Clinton's campaign has replaced their campaign manager and their chief strategist. On occasion, they've even scaled back their biggest asset, President Clinton. They're out of money.

And they can only cling to their newest excuse that "Obama cannot put the race away", which is so damn stupid I cannot believe they're actually using the line. They're literally attributing Senator Clinton's successes on Obama's weaknesses as opposed to her strengths. She's still in the race because he can't put her away, not because she's a strong candidate. Brilliant.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:35:46 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

Your campaign used to be about hope and now its about fear.

You fear Hillary...

by DTaylor on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:55:03 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

No, not really. I do fear preempting an attack on Iran though. We are all still paying the price for the last preemptive attack.

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:59:05 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

The one in SC where Team Obama called Hillary a racist?

Cry me some Katrina tears mr crocodile

by DTaylor on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:02:09 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

If you noticed, I didn't give credence to anything stirred up by "Team" Clinton in my diary.

Also, why would you even bring race into this? We're talking about war, threatening a sovereign country of "obliterating" them, and you're talking about what Team Obama called Hillary?

And what the hell are Katrina tears anyways?

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:07:06 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

Katrina was a preemptive attack from the Obama campaign calling Hillary a racist for crying.

The implication was that Hillary tearing up because all her opponents were quite mean to her meant that she didn't love black people because she didn't cry in public for them.

It was a racial cue.

It was hitting below the belt and it will be part of why Obama will never be president of the US

by DTaylor on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:20:31 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

What's brilliant is that she got 1.2 MILLION votes on Tue., and you have the audacity to attempt to say she isn't a strong candidate.

Obama's weakness ARE her strenghts.

Details, actual policies, experience, being a fighter to name a few.

Obama can't put the race away, because America is starting to finally see the flaws and chinks in his armor and he's falling to pieces quickly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/24 /media-jump-ship-from-obam_n_98545.html

Like the little rats they are...the MSM vitriol writers and jumping off before it goes down. Don't forget to tip the string quartet before the deck tips....

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:47:06 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

"Obama's weakness ARE her strenghts"

What does that even mean?

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by lizardbox on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:53:12 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

What's brilliant is that she got 1.2 MILLION votes on Tue.

... because a "MILLION" matters much more than 1e6.

and you have the audacity to attempt to say she isn't a strong candidate.

Hope's like that sometimes.

Obama's weakness ARE her strenghts.

I assume she has none of her own.

Details, actual policies, experience, being a fighter to name a few.

"Being an ordinary American"? "Ready from day one"? I assume this was incompletely copy-pasted from the talking points.

Obama can't put the race away, because America is starting to finally see the flaws and chinks in his armor and he's falling to pieces quickly.

Or because Clinton can't acknowledge reality. Your call.

Like the little rats they are...the MSM vitriol writers and jumping off before it goes down. Don't forget to tip the string quartet before the deck tips....

So I can put you down as supporting whoever the MSM favors this fall?

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

You and I were long friends: you are now my enemy, and I am yours. -- Ben Franklin

by username2 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:32:42 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

very scary...

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:51:40 AM EST

This is a juvenile diary. (2.00 / 2)

by likelihood zero on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:55:40 AM EST

Too (none / 0)

funny.

by k on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:59:09 AM EST

Not (none / 0)

funny enough.

by username2 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:33:56 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

Wow! What a great thread to try out my new signature line. Yeah hold you breath waiting for that apology under the circumstances she would be justified to spit in Rev Wright's face!

"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"

by RedstateLib on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:49:08 AM EST

Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

You will also notice on this site no Hillary supporter has ever spelled out N**er, but spelling out Bitch and whore is completely acceptable to many Obama supporters. But if any one spelled out N**er they would not only be jumped all over by everyone, Clinton and Obama supporters alike. I bet they would be banned.

"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"

by RedstateLib on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:58:01 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

Not liking Obama isn't an excuse to not like AAs

Mydd has done a pretty good job in that respect and I am proud of us.

Even when there is a racial campaign from team Obama and anger returned needs to be genuinely color blind.

If we are to be the champions of Dr. Kings dream we need to totally ignore race in our attacks.

When team Obama can see past race they can live the dream too.

by DTaylor on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:08:00 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (none / 0)

And spelling out "nigger" should be perfectly acceptable. Calling someone one is an entirely different matter.

Jeez, this isn't kindergarten. We don't have to be afraid of people seeing the Naughty Words. But when we're reduced to arguing which word is worse -- nigger, bitch, whore, cunt, quim[1] -- I sometimes think we should all lie down for a bit of quiet time.

[1] Thank you, Mr. Chaucer.

by username2 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:21:23 AM EST
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Re: Unless Senator Clinton Apolgoizes... (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry you think she has so much to apologize for.
Did you ask John Kerry to apologize when he ran the ad in 2004 that morphed Howard Dean's face into Osama Bin Laden's?

This is a primary and it seems no one who supports Obama has ever seen the dirty tricks that politicians play on each other as they jostle for the winning spot.

Even Howard Dean thought that this primary has been fairly civil compared to past primaries, but all we hear from Obama supporters is how "mean" Hillary is to Obama.

Two words: grow up.

Hillary has nothing to apologize for, anymore than Obama does.

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:34:19 AM EST

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